Department child safety fails to live up to its name

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 17/01/2007 - 07:52

The Department of Child Safety (DOCS)in Qld is failing to protect children from its own abusive, aggressive workers within the system.
They out rightly attack the throats of parents, innocent or not, because it doesn't matter to them, they class everyone guilty.
They don't want you to argue or stand up for your rights's, you are dictated to and told you cant do this and you can do that,if make a protest about anything they use your children as pawns to get you to back down.

They show no interest in what the children might say or want, children's rights are denied,and made to suffer horrendous abuse that will definitely leave permanent scares on their little hearts and minds.

This department needs to be exposed for what it is doing to innocent families.
A large number of workers there seem to have no children of their own or are single people with no real life skills or family experience.
It is a system based on lies with the intent of getting it their own way regardless of who they hurt.It also appears to have workers who were a victim of some type of abuse in their own lives now hell bent on revenge.
They have incredible power to which has gone to some of their heads, they need to be held accountable for their actions,and the general public made aware of what is really going on.
And false notifiers exposed and punished appropriately because they generally start the fire that burns in the hearts of innocent families that is in turn fuelled by DOCS.

Save these children now, expose the corruption within the system.

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Submitted by Nunya (not verified) on Fri, 03/08/2007 - 01:53.

There has been a bit of rabbitting on about this "Royal Commission" yet actual details and links pertaining to the facts are scant.

When will independently verifiable information be made available publicly here, or anywhere else?

After all, anyone can SAY they have asked for a Royal Commission, they might have even tried to accomplish this, but it is an entirely different matter getting one up and running.

All this emailing "someone" privately could be a ploy to get the email addresses of complainants. Stranger things have happened.

Why not Identify?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 22/08/2007 - 10:05.

So what's wrong with 'them' - whomever they may be, seeing or having our email address.

They can't harrass you - if they do, we charge them IMMEDIATELY. Change your email - dob them in.

Why is everyone so damn scared???? Of what??? You don't have your children - what the hell else do you have to lose?????

Doh! So Frustrating.

Why not identify, I tell you why?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 22/08/2007 - 11:22.

If you don't have your kids and you shovel shit and they identify you, you can bet a buck that they will make it harder for you to get them back.
If you have your kids or say one of the parents still have the kids and you shovel shit and they identify you they will try with their "LIES" to remove your kids from the one and only parent looking after them.
The best way is to wait until all matters are resolved in a court of law and if you win then you identify yourself and spend the rest of your legal life getting back at them where they can't touch you, but even then I bet you they will try to retaliate.

You Are Correct

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 22/08/2007 - 20:29.

Yes, Above,

You are correct. I was just trying to point out that after so long in the process I guess we are becoming immuned.

Well I know I am !

CMC Royal Commission

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 22/08/2007 - 10:01.

Scanty, panty,

For the amount of effort you put into writing this comment, Legislation Lisa has done hours of research to bring you results.

However, scanty, panty - perhaps you could pick up a phone and get your results like that, or better still, you're obviously on the internet - why not do what Legislation Lisa does?

GO FIND OUT !!! ...... and bring it back to us please. Legislation Lisa appears busy and tired.

Go on now... git!

Royal Commission IS HAPPENING

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 20/08/2007 - 11:04.

You will find that a Royal Commission has been asked by the Coalition Office last month and has had the 'go ahead'.

This means the questions the Coalition Office have (in relation to Child Deaths in Custody), coupled with a few obvious 'bullying' complaints from ourselves, have been put together in a Report to the CMC.

The CMC, having received the Report, took a few weeks to discuss it's contents (so I believe) in order to come up with an answer as to whether they were going ahead with the Inquiry.

It appears this decision was made... (check somewhere in Legislation Lisa's Blog) that the CMC would be going ahead with THAT Inquiry. Don't forget to follow the links to the regular Media Releases. It will make you want to contribute your story even though you have gone nowhere with it elsewhere. We are all experiencing the same thing, we just need this little bit more encouragement.... trust me, it will happen!

During this Inquiry, we are trying are hardest to bombard whomever we need to, to make these further corruptive details available to the Investigators so that they may clearly see what is going WRONG with the DoCS.

It's not that hard - you just need some Politicians with you on the issues, as they are able to draft questions to MP's in Parliament.

At present, we are talking Queensland only. NSW and Vic no doubt also have similar going on.

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

The above

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 03/08/2007 - 10:15.

I agree!!! and this is the reason why I have not exposed myself.I stopped trusting anyone when DOCS and JAB knocked on my door. Its bad enough when a child lies but when a member of the DOCS staff + JAB do it..... Hummmmmmm. You see everywhere today where the police are trying to entrap people to catch them out and I would not put anything pass them to do something like this. Maybe I should ring the CMC just to find out for myself.

The More Calls Made...

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 20/08/2007 - 11:10.

The More Calls Made.....

The Closer wer are getting to EXPOSING THE TRUTH.

No more time left to whinge - I meant it when I came in here - we are GOING AHEAD WITH IT...!!!!

Then you may be permitted to learn to trust again. But for now, we have NOTHING, and no trust, so everyday still passes, you know you have to do EVERYTHING YOU CAN to get your children back, so - so long as that damn sun rises everyday (how dare it :-) we will ACTIVELY spread our stories to those that are in power and RIGHT NOW ACTIVELY ASKING FOR THEMSELVES very strong questions in Parliament of these VERY SAME PEOPLE!

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

Statistics and the Government

Submitted by Toni Lancaster (not verified) on Fri, 06/07/2007 - 17:38.

The Government itself relies on statistics. Every thing it does is based on statistics as are many of the decisions it makes.

When the Government receives these statitics, they are lead to believe that the information used to gather the data is true and accurate and that whomever gathered the information did their job properly.

Unfortunately, too many DoCS officers do not do their jobs properly and the information gathered is not true and accurate.

Therefore, the statistics are filled with false information.

Taking responsibility for your own actions

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 27/06/2007 - 13:43.

From reading the comments above, it is clear to see the majority are all very critical, however are perhaps not taking responsibility for their own actions. Perhaps seeing things through your children's eyes may provide you with more insight. Rather than playing the blame game bring the focus back to the little ones that you may have brought into this world. No one's perfect, but at times, individuals need to take a step back and think about who they are hurting the most and who they are being untrue to. I have worked in the field for over five years and during this time have seen such traumatic abuse towards children and adolescents that i wish i had never seen. Children dont ask to be abused or born into families where domestic violence exisits. Nor do they chose to be negelcted. Children should be loved and cared for and its sad to see from the above comments that the focus is not on the children's best interests and needs, but on hate towards the system. KEEP THE FOCUS ON THE CHILDREN, they are the ones that suffer most. All adults should know better-parents or workers

To some comments re just taking children away, excessive evidence has to be presented through the court, parents have many opportunites to lodge responses before the court and the final decision is made by the MAGISTRATE not the workers of these departments.

Wrong wrong wrong...Try again...

Submitted by True Justice (not verified) on Fri, 17/08/2007 - 17:35.

Try this link:

"On top of the dysfunctional family law system we have a corrupted child protection agency.," she said.

"We have children being coerced in interviews to support false allegations.

As if a lot of parents didn't know that already!


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 16/08/2007 - 13:50.

Your ignorance is painful. How about the department takes responsibility for all of their misinformation, fabrication, and assault on natural family dynamics? There is absolutely no justification for many of your lies and corrupt way of thinking.

Youre either joking or from the PR dept

Submitted by grieving- not stupid (not verified) on Sun, 08/07/2007 - 14:35.

I used to be that naive too! but the fact you claim to work for this deadly organisation and have no clue is positively frightening!

But DoCS stooges always infiltrate this sort of forums, the PR dept is the only one that is quick to act! and only in their own defence, never in the real interest of the child, just keeping the pay packets rolling in.

I thought that appropriate evidence was needed but sadly this is patently untrue. My child was NEVER neglected or abused by me EVER.

I firmly believed that only negligent parents suffered the glare of the department, and that their actions were proper and appropriate. How wrong I was!

Then my child was dead in their negligent care because they didn't check their facts and then moved heaven and earth to cover themselves, crucifying a wonderful child with health difficulties left severely unattended.

Sadly, your innocent presumption is not the case, urgent cases are left unattended especially if it happens due to their negligence, and innocent children and parents are targeted falsely and often thereby placing them in very danger that they are there to rescue them from.

They place children with people who have a known history with the department and are listed as "a known form of danger" , even when the partner of this woman had already gone to jail for manslaughter of a child! They actually said she was "wonderful" yet there is video evidence in a public hospital of this woman removing the feeding tube from her own child.

It is so easy to think with the focus of the media on terrible cases that EVERY case is like this, they aren't. But these are the kids who die under the departments care, they can't wait to get rid of the evidence of their bungling incompetence, they usually aren't included in the CDRT reports. They often leave the real offenders with their children and remove the wrong ones entirely.

Concentrate on the Children!

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Wed, 27/06/2007 - 17:14.

Hello (yet another) 'Anonymous',

I would just like to say that you should perhaps take a longer read at the posts here to determine what we are all here for and to do.

Firstly, contrary to what you may believe or any other(untouched by DoCS)person in Australia may believe, these cases are real and current. They involve the Dept. concentrating so much on dismembering every piece of your personality, that in order to defend, you often do find yourself (quite neurotically), asking the Dept. workers how all 'this' can affect the caring of my child by myself.

Here's a wonderfuly example: Just today, whilst you were making a decision to become involve and ask people that have experienced stuff you are not clear about on this forum, I was preparing Affidavits and paperwork for the Children's Court.

This paperwork was to request that the Magistrate that has given the DoCS 2 sets of 3 month adjournments has, in fact, had my son away from me PURELY ON ADJOURNMENTS TOTALLY 6 WHOLE MONTHS. We have never been given an opportunity to defend allegations and a hearing has eventually been set - July 9th & 10th. He was removed on 24th November and initial Magistrate said she wasn't going to let this child be away from his mother over Christmas as it didn't appear there was anything wrong.

How did they manage to keep him for 6 months? Well - let's see, you just IGNORE THE MAGISTRATE! That's simple, isn't it? Don't believe it happens? Perhaps I could give you the next example of a special meeting that was convened with a special Children's Court Magistrate sent up for the purpose due to the obvious fact that the Dept. had been appearing to 'not engage' with the client (myself).

Everything that needed to be covered was covered at this meeting and agreed upon - of course, keeping only the child's best interests at heart. Once finished, only one item was adhereed to - my son's contact visits with me were to resume after 3 WHOLE MONTHS OF NOTHING!!!
Now that's really concentrating on the child, isn't it?

Perhaps you need to understand the reason the CMC have accepted a report from the Coalition is because people like us are REALLY experiencing this and we are here to band together and support each other wherever possible.

You actually appear to be 'fishing'. What is your experience to share with us? We are no longer at the stage where we need to consider what we need - we are doing it, we are in the midst of it.


Does the Inquiry 3 years ago say anything to you? Or are you just someone from any of those offices we've all been contacting. I suggest you go straight to the CMC if you need further clarification of what's going on here.

Don't try to stop what's already been proven...

Have a nice day :-)

Re Focus on the Children

Submitted by Rebecca K. (not verified) on Wed, 27/06/2007 - 18:34.

I dont doubt that you have had bad experiences with the Dept and am not trying to or even suggest that you stop your inquiry. Not am i fishing for anything. When i view things i like to keep an open mind and try and see things from more than one angle. The posts seem all a bit 'me, me me and blame someone else for my kids being taken off me, not what can i do to better my child's life. What i do know is that no one has mentioned the core issues of why the department has become involved in the first place, and how the Department ascertained that their children were at risk. Rather, individuals seem to be in denial of there own issues. Your post explained re the court process and perhaps what happened wasnt fair or just however what i do know is, if there is corruption taking place, it should be dealt with, and again, yes children should remain the focus, perhaps more adults need to address their issues especially the ones in denial.
The dept is not perfect, nor is any system.

"The Dept. is Not Perfect"

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Thu, 28/06/2007 - 14:14.

"The Department is not Perfect"

Think of it like this: We've been through this, this is all about maintaining the focus on the children, you need to realise that once so many people gather with similar stories, that something is not quite right.

Whilst trying to drive the Dept. around to even discussing the best option for the children, they just DON'T DEAL WITH IT.

Hence the reason we have come together - because the Department just DON'T DEAL WITH THE KIDS' EMOTIONS AT ALL!!!

Once again, we are past the 'explaining' stage - we have no need to explain ourselves to every new stranger that cares to put their comments based on no experience at all.

CLEARLY: You need to open a new discussion in a New Forum. None of these people are interested in any more discussions with anybody who is still ignorant to what is going on with this Dept. bless your ignorance, I am not trying to offend you, just pointing out that which you have done...

You have come to our restaurant to eat our food, but now you're not hungry for our food, instead trying to reason with us to try your food.

We tried that - over and over and over again. We are all normal, educated, tax-paying people whom often don't even have a criminal record from our younger years. Some of us have never lived on Welfare and most of us have been victimised by the Dept. acting upon calls from so called friends' and relatives (ex-wives are good for calling the Dept. on their husbands).

It just doesn't work - there doesn't appear to be an 'ASSESSMENT PERIOD' - it just seems they get a call, act upon it, and just keep going. All the while you are paying solicitors and preparing paperwork that PROVES they are wrong. BUT THEY JUST IGNORE IT.

Let's go back to why they can ignore it because everything you say here is correct - in a perfect world! However, when something is 'corrupt', 'sinister' or whatever, surely any amount of life experience would warn you that that is the reason why.

Another example: My child is missing..... The Police ring the Dept. the Dept. LIE to the police and say he isn't 'missing', they just can't 'find him'. Police ring back and say they were told by the Dept...... end of story.

So - believe it or not, the Dept. have the guts to lie to EVERYBODY - MAGISTRATES, POLICE, MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS, SOLICITORS, OMBUDSMAN.


Instead, you should be saying, hey, these people have managed to get it all rolling - something must have really been happening here. The CMC don't just accept reams and reams of paperwork just for the hell of it - there is a process, a process that took time, that took people's livelihoods, that took a lot of our Post-Graduation Degrees and years of working in Govt. ourselves to perpare, administer and deliver.

Please - don't come in asking for explanations - if you don't believe, log out and concentrate on some of the many other important issues being dealt with on this page.

I have invited a lot of people to this form recently, this is why I feel obliged to repond to most feedbacks by new users.

Kindest Regards
Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

re: child safety

Submitted by gympie (not verified) on Mon, 14/05/2007 - 18:33.

I thought when my daughter came to me telling me that her father had abused her that child safety were there to help protect her. How wrong I was, they have taken my daughter lied through their teeth and now are helping the father so she can go live with him and be abused on a daily basis. I am at my wits end we have tried everything the only thing I can think that would help is if we all banded together get a petition going ? Surely they can't ignore thousands of sufferers on paper in front of them the time for us to take this is finished . Theseare our children and we have done nothing wrong . Lets take back our rights to be parents to our children. hope to hear back soon.

Hello I though i would add

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 15/05/2007 - 19:13.


I though i would add REPLY to those who are dealing with dept of child safety

I Have been involved with dept of child safety since 2004, it all started when someone started harrassing me and the police said no one was there it was me i was the 'culpret' so they removed the children for there safety and took out a child protection order for 2 years and i had a crap lawyer which said just sign it will be easier, so we did and in the mean time i fell pregnant to my husband with our daughter soon after we got married we we're refered to reunifcation service which was completed postivley and we were sucessful in getting the children home and we had regular visits from dept of child safety that closed the case.

then on 5th january 2007 the child protection QLD and QLD child protection police turned up with a warrant of me knownling possessing child explotation on my computer i was deverstated as worked so well with the dept in the past! and they took dvd's digital camera and computers they removed the children on RISK OF sexual harm , mental harm, phscological, emotinal harm what a load of crap they have filed for another 2 year child protection guardianship order with NO EVIDENCE our lawyer is contesting the order we go back to court on may to a court ordered confrence as we are contesting as there is no evedince of harm and if they don't give us the children back on a supervision order or something our lawyer is taking it to trial where we will win! we have lost time an moment because of a false allergation made by someone in sydney that doesnt' even know us! ( FROM A INTERNET FORUM REGO DETAILS REGISTERED TO ME AS I SUPPOUSLY WENT ON TO A FORUM AND ADMITTED TO THE FORUM IAM INTO CHILD PORN I STILL HAVENT SEEN COPIES OF CHAT LOGS)

they claim they need to take the order out because the RISK OF is too significant

Emotional Abusers

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 14/04/2007 - 22:24.

DOCS have done it again. Removed 25 month old child after 2 years of caring. We are the only family that the child knows, and has now been taken away interstate for a supposedly family contact/reunion, without any support from family they know. The dept have lied and conived, forcing their rules upon us without thought for either the child or our family. We are all suffering emotionally and are looking for your help. We are missing this little child and are certain that the child will have withdrawn as the child would not know why they have been taken away from the only family known to them. The child has been sent off with strangers to live with strangers. Were is the justice?

I am going thru it too

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 16/04/2007 - 14:39.

If anyone can give me any advice please email me at juanita19 @

I have been accused by docs that i am emotionally abusing my 2 year old son but all i have ever done is cry when i have to hand him over to his proven violent father (court ordered of course)

I dont know how to defend myself against all of his lies that they seem to believe.

I love adore cherish and respect my little man and i don't know where else to turn, Has anyone got any suggestions?

Please, i am a single mum with no support and i need help. Please.

To- emotional abusers

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 15/04/2007 - 23:34.

What more can we say? It is truly disgraceful and a typical reflection of what this department displays to the average family.
So sorry to hear of your circumstances, we pray and hope things will turn out for the best.

so much hate

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/04/2007 - 21:52.

obviously you people have children in care, i wonder if you talk about department workers this way in front of your children. I was in care, i loved my mum but i also loved my cso, youth workers and foster carers. If my mum said anything like you are saying now about these people i would of been so mad, these workers are human, i'm human and i need to feel loved and they showed me that!
If you truely love your kids, the best thing YOU can do is
Go to parenting classes
Get off the drugs/stay away from alcohol
Get rid of the boyfriend who is sexually abusing your daughter
Stop hitting your kids
See a counsellor
Find a job or at least look for one
Take up a course (even fricken hair dressing)
Do what the dept tell you to do, be complient and cooperative
Always be positive when you see your children

Parents- only YOU are in control of what happens to your child/ren. If your child/ren gets abused in care, think how did they get there in the first place... ABUSE! You have so much hate towards the dept and its workers but you did the exact same thing. Your child Would NOT be in care if you were doing the right thing. Its hard to hear, but it is the truth. Being a parent and raising children isnt something that comes natural, its learnt, so get out there enrole in a parenting course and find out how you can be a great parent.

Better Idea

Submitted by Sick of LIARS and the CLUELESS (not verified) on Wed, 22/08/2007 - 15:56.

I have a better idea.

We are about a couple weeks or so away (in thought, anyway) to directly expose the department on video and relating to scanned documents and other unarguable, terrific evidence against their ongoing lies. This also exposes the lies and incompetence of the plainclothes police (although that is technically already on record with a department in Brisbane) and is relative to the original fabrications by a local, obviously racist (or perhaps just all-out crazy) nurse. We also have a couple of private forums (well, not really private, just not advertised at this point) and a growing database of images (already online, and alreading catching them in several lies and incompetent acts) and such to go with our video.

Anyone up for youtube? I'm not joking, either. We've had enough. We are doing this in case they decide to try to build more lies against certain people as they seem so fond of doing.

Why now? Because we've been gathering little bits for the past four years and have more than enough to know what is really going on.

the above person

Submitted by Danielle Curtis (not verified) on Tue, 21/08/2007 - 20:11.

Don't blame the parents for abuse in care.

another saying "maybe abortion was invented so that arrogant, dis-respectful youth like you didn't exist.

so much hate and where's it coming from?

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 08/07/2007 - 16:16.

Clearly, so much hate, you have had a little "help or direction" in constructing your post. It simply isn't mensa stuff to figure out from where.

I have witnessed this type of "letter" before and recognize a put up when I see it. Next time avoid using technical words that belie your age and experience or get the worker to spell it for you next time.... should they be able

Abused Child Speaks....

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Wed, 27/06/2007 - 17:26.


Please take good note - the above post has been written by a child of the system. Here we have it - in full view.

This is what we have to look forward to!

Poor, poor child. You obviously missed the 'healing with a psychologist' era.

God Help Us!

Try Looking At the Real World...Just Once...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 03:34.

Boy, are YOU off the mark.

Try again.

It doesn't matter WHAT you do, and no, I've no children in care, but have seen false allegations commonly made against good families, and disgusting (even mentally ill) abusers completely ignored over a period of YEARS. THAT seems to be the general rule in my experience. Once these ignorant, invasive, clueless, useless "professionals" decide to harass a family, they will use circular logic, jumping from one ludricous fabrication to another as if good parents are to be used as a chew toy by these disgusting exuses for "professionals" (term used as loosely as theoretically possible). Oh, don't worry, we are going to be doing something about it. They need to be exposed and legally dealt with in every way possible.

They are people of a lower class and a lower "order" than decent parents, and I will stake my life on the fact that they are little more than pathological liars and haters of children and the family unit.


Try looking at the real world. You'll be greatly helping out society when you do!

It DOESN'T MATTER how you comply and treat them, as every single time someone proves an allegation is false, they come up with an ADDITIONAL fabrication against the same people. THIS NEEDS TO END NOW, AND THIS TRUTH NEEDS TO BE MADE KNOWN TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

RE so much hate

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 13/04/2007 - 03:48.

You have know idea what you are talking about, you are so far off the mark you might as well be living on Mars.
These corrupt scum take children from families under false pretences and fabricated lies who they then in turn have their own professionals validate their own lies.
You really have know Idea, so before run you mouth off anymore and make a bigger fool of yourself read the postings on this site and see what people are really complaining about, pretty dam obvious to everybody else.

Re-so much hate

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 13/04/2007 - 15:26.

Very true. Well said. they will make their bed one day and they will have to lie in it too, Did someone mention the word LIE that seems to ring a bell.


Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 12/04/2007 - 22:50.

In 2000-01, there were 476 recorded hospitalisations of children aged 0-17 years due to assault that were classified by hospitals to ‘neglect and abandonment’ or ‘other maltreatment syndromes’. Nearly a third (30%) of these hospitalisations were for children less than one year of age, and a further 30% were aged 1-4 years. Overall, in 57% of these hospitalisations the parents were recorded as being the perpetrators of the abuse. In general, the proportion of abuse recorded as being perpetrated by a parent was higher for hospitalisations of younger children - with proportions ranging from 82% of hospitalisations for children aged less than 1 year, to 15% of hospitalisations for children aged 17 years.
Over the three years spanning 1999-2001, 17 children died from neglect and abandonment or other maltreatment syndromes. Most of these children were very young - 10 were aged less than 1 year old, 6 were aged 1-4 years, and one was aged 5-9 years. This reinforces the observation that very young children are the most likely to suffer neglect or abuse.
Child protection notifications came from a diverse range of sources. In 2001-02 the most common sources for notifications that were investigated were the police (18%), school personnel (18%), parents and guardians (11%), friends and neighbours (9%), and other relatives (8%).3
In 2001-02 there were 30,500 substantiated cases of child abuse or neglect in Australia - involving 25,600 children aged between 0 and 17 years. Of these cases, the same proportion involved physical abuse, as involved emotional abuse or neglect (27% each). The proportion involving sexual abuse was smaller (14%).
In 2001-02, 59% of children who were subject to substantiated abuse or neglect were aged 5-14 years and 9% were aged 15-17 years. A further 8% were aged less than 1 year. Because of the greater number of substantiated cases of girls suffering sexual abuse (2,700 girls compared with 940 boys), overall there were more girls (52%) than boys who were subject to substantiated abuse in 2001-02. However, boys were slightly more likely to be involved in all other types of substantiated cases (i.e. physical abuse 52%, emotional abuse 51%, or neglect 53%).
At June 2002, there were 18,900 children in out-of-home care, an increase of 35% since 1996. As was the case for care and protection orders, during the year more children were placed in out-of-home care than were discharged. In 2001-02, 12,800 children were admitted to out-of-home care and 10,000 were discharged. Many children placed in out-of-home care stay in it for a long time. At June 2002, 46% of children in out-of-home care had been in continuous care for more than 2 years.

aLL THESE stats are from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.... now tell me is there really no need for the department of child safety.

very misleading stats

Submitted by grieving- not stupid (not verified) on Sun, 08/07/2007 - 16:04.

I can provide the names of children, who died in Victoria and NSW, that were NOT included in these so called infallible statistics you present?

Since you "claim" to know so much can you tell me why these children who died in the "departments care?????" weren't included please?

Other than a cover up of the amount of children who die in this "out of home" category, what other explanation can you offer?

And please, whilst trotting out the meaningless propaganda for the departments include a more original name.


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/07/2007 - 07:57.

To Stats,

The Government Bureau of Statistics receives information direct from the (corrupt) Government Departments. In their own Annual Report for 2000/01, the Department of Human Services (Vic) had taken some 700 children a month.

Of those 700 - more than 65% were returned to their families on REVOKATION. Which means 'wooops' and they must hand the child back within 28 days.

On a bus in Qld recently, I saw notices asking for recognition of how many children are in out of home care this month or this year etc. They are PROUD to put notices up in public, telling you 5,000 children in care this year! When you look up the actual results of these children taken, lo & behold a very DIFFERENT and disturbing figure appears!

Have you ever been in sales? You know, you 'write them up for the month' but the sale doesn't actually go through, but hell, it made your figures look good that month, didn't it? This would surely mean a payrise? or, in the case of Govt. Departments, a BIGGER BUDGET.


For an accurate statistical report, allow yourself to indulge into their individual Annual Reports, easily obtained online around this time of the year actually.


To stats

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 09/05/2007 - 03:44.

Okay... There is no need for the Department of Child Safety or similar criminal organisations.

What there IS a need for, is a viable community alternative, and a large enough jail to hold all the people who build on false allegations.

How about that? A system where it is actually illegal (even if you are a nurse or other professional) to lie about families. Wouldn't that be nice? A law protecting children AND parents AND the family unit? Where the trendy buzzwords of the month, such as "socialisation" and other trendy buzzwords used by morons to intrude on good people are literally considered a criminal offense instead of the government's preference to hold only lies on file about people... ALL THEIR DAMN LIVES...

These people need to answer for their crimes, and that includes crimes of emotional abuse and their general insane behaviour against good parents...

The day will come when the entire world sees their REAL behaviour and motives.

RE Stats

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 15/04/2007 - 19:34.

Stats are one thing. Reality is another.

NOTHING justifies injustice, or arrogant interrogation by ignorant DoCS "workers" (term used loosely) or threats of taking children at the drop of a hat (in front of the children, yet) which seems to be their very first tactic under even the strangest or simplest false claims or outright weird "concerns". I know of one bloated "concern" that was related simply to a child taking a nap during a visit, and from there, all sorts of weird gossip and false allegations arose. Do these people have tests for mental stability or even general intelligence before they work in such an office? Seems unlikely. And yes, I believe people who ride on false claims should be dealt with severely. Perhaps a month in jail would get them to think in more apporiate ways regarding families and the real needs of children and they wouldn't be so quick to make up ridiculous stories or harass good parents in such unusual ways.


Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 13/04/2007 - 08:14.

Not in its current form.

The Stolen Generation Report 1997 found that 30% of girls placed in foster care were abused by there carers.

The Gwen Murray report found 3.5% of children in care were substantiated as having been harmed.

The Department of Child Safety's own report December 2005 also gave dreadful statistics showing that 8.6% of children in foster care as having been abused by by their own approved carers.

So if you want to bring up stats bring out the real truth and expose this corrupt abusive department before any more of our children get hurt by them.

i was in care

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/04/2007 - 21:36.

I was in care since the age of 12 until this year when i turned 18. I believe that the Department do the best they can with the resources they have. I believe that any child who has been put in care, has been put in care for a reason... there parents! No matter what anyone says, the department have a HUGE job in getting kids under a child protection order, they cant bring kids in for no reason. I read someone say that "people who have been abused are now working at the department and want revenge", i have been abused, im now studying a bachelor of social work and i want to work at the department, i dont want revenge, i want to protect children and young people from abusive parents. I believe that there are cases in which children face abuse within the child protection system, but i do believe the department try there best. You dont need to be a parent in order to help someone.

Good on you. I dont think

Submitted by Rebecca K. (not verified) on Wed, 27/06/2007 - 20:19.

Good on you. I dont think you're too young. I actually think most of the individuals on this site are in denial and havent addressed their own issues. rather, they are so self consumed and selfish and it is clear they cant see past their own issues of hate,denial, playing the victim. Clear examples of not being able to put their children first.
Dont allow comments regarding your age alter your perspectives. I think alot of these adults have some growing up to do!!!

I'm Keeping an Eye on You...

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Thu, 28/06/2007 - 14:29.

It's not a question of age.

This girl is choosing a career to make sure others are cared for as well. She has come from a legitimately DoCS-interfered background.

I could put her onto a number of ex-DoCS workers whom will tell her where they also started and no matter how they tried, they found they were not dealing with child abuse at all - only Departmental abuse.

There is a need and an urgent one, for the Department of Child Safety. But the facts relating to their corruption toward people that have not had an incident, is overwhelming.

Your comments will be drowned in this Forum and eventually removed, as your agenda here is malicious.

Keep your eye on the news - or, better still, call the Coalition Office and ask them why they have requested a ROYAL COMMISSION INQUIRY into the Department of Child Safety.

The DoCS needs young girls like the one above and if you'd like to help, perhaps you could jump on the wagon right at the point we are at.

Once again, we are not trying to prove to 'strangers' anything here - we are here to meet and support each other because it exists in our unfortunate world.

Your comments wreak of ignorance I'm afraid and although I can see you are trying to make some sense of it all, it is very hard when you're not involved, I can't see then what your association is with this Forum.

I hope you're not accessing this forum from your Govt. paid job. Surely - you could advise what your interest is in this Forum?

In any case, carry on about us - team up with the 18yr olds and we'll wave to you when we are filmed on the steps of Parliament House with the public apology we get.

Oh - also, if you or anyone else would like a copy of what the Leader of the Opposition (Qld) had to say about the Royal Commission Inquiry into DoCS, please don't hesitate to email me. Also, I will be posting a copy of an article from the Herald-Sun in Melbourne - that takes the whole page 3 of the news - TO PUBLICLY APOLOGISE TO US - only to have it done again, again, again, again - let's see - that's 4 more times since the public apology.

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

Royal Commissionand All

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 05/08/2007 - 18:53.

Hi Lesgislation Lisa

have just read all of the posts relating to Department of Child Safety and note that you have been the one person saying suff about a Royal Commission happening. I am wondering where things are up to for the Comission and a couple of things about it. Since child protection stuff is state based are you looking at a national commission that covers all state's legistation and actions or just Queenslands (i assume since you are from Cairns . . .)and are you looking for a Federal or State Ordered commission? thanx

DoCS Royal Commission

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Thu, 09/08/2007 - 07:06.

Anon above,

I have not myself requested this Royal Commission - in fact, I have jumped on with the Coalition Office - this is the Royal Commission I am referring to.

Nowdays I am completely inundated hands-on with my own case, so I am not sure myself where they are currently at with it.

I have checked though, with the Coalition and the CMC and it appears the Coalition Office put their request in on June 17th and the CMC are preparing to now go ahead with the Inquiry - mainly around the "bullying nature of CSO's" and how this can inflict on removed Children and their families. One thing leads to another and before you know it, there have been too many Foster Child Deaths whilst in the care or custody or know of the DoCS.

When I spoke with the CMC they took another complaint from me and appear to be handling that one quite separately. It asks questions along the lines of why things are taking so long to get through the courts etc.

At present though, it appears that we are just asking questions that may 'lead' to proof they are manipulating the system to keep children from families longer, for personal reasons.

My son's birthday on Saturday, so they created a 'scene' at the last contact visit, now they think they can keep me from seeing my son until the Magistrate returns from holidays around Sept. 28th!

I even pre-warned the Magistrate, in writing, the day before he left for leave. So it's things like this that lead to disasters like 'deaths' because the actual details of the case are being overlooked, whilst Departmental workers punish your child for what happens between you and them!

Get it? I suggest anyone curious enough to want to know what's happening with the Inquiry, could easily pick up the phone and call the CMC 1800 061 611 themselves and ask them direct, yeh?

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

Royal commission

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 19/08/2007 - 01:00.

So, is it a state or a federal ordered royal commission lisa?

State at this Stage

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 20/08/2007 - 10:54.

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

For Lisa

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 09/08/2007 - 10:21.

Thanks for the update Lisa
What you said about the bullying is 100% correct about CSO's because they did the same to my wife after I was removed from my house via a false allegation. They said to her that she must not talk to me and If she does they will remove your children, They continually said to her on numerous occasions at least 4 times "WHY ARE YOU STILL WITH HIM" " Get RID OF HIM" and each time after that they finished off by saying you have a choice, your kids or your husband so which one is it going to be. They were trying to blackmail her and they tried the same with my kids by saying the same "Tell us things about your dad" and they finished off by saying If you don't tell us things about your dad we will take you off you mother. Via the freedom of information it was even said DOC's CSO's even tried to get my wife charged but the Police would not be a part of that. Also it was said they had insuffecient evidence to remove my kids so work that one out. I have read on this site a few things that continually ring a bell with my case, things like Lying, bullying, dirty tactics, having someone charged WITHOUT ANY REAL Evidence, non whatsoever, DOCS putting pressure on JAB to have a person charged. Mind you with any other crime this would be inpossible to have a person charged except in my case we are talking about JAB here. All it takes today is a neighbour to make a complaint that you touched their child (Mind you the child is terrified of his own parents)and only after you put the complaint into the Police that this child bashed up my daughter after school. Today JAB Police don't want the truth, all they want to do is charge anyone over the age of 18. It is well known at school today that children try to blackmail parents, or step parents, neighbours, friends, enemies and the rest because they know they can accuse someone of touching them if they don't get their way and they can get away with it. I would like to say more about these scum CSO's but I will refrain myself for the moment.

Legislation Lisa....

Submitted by Andrew (not verified) on Sat, 30/06/2007 - 06:40.

Please email me the copy of what the Leader of the QLD Opposition has to say about the Royal Commission Inquiry into DOCS...It may help :)

Opposition's Opinion...

Submitted by Lisa (not verified) on Thu, 05/07/2007 - 23:13.


I have some footage I may be able to post on this forum.
I will speak with Webmaster about this and see if I can put it up for all to see.

It's a good piece of footage. It also includes footage of Peter Beattie saying "I think children are more important than elections"

Thank you for your enquiry, I will do my best to email you a copy if we can't put it up here.


TO I was in care

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 12/04/2007 - 17:37.

WAKE UP!!!! they do and they can. You are too young to know what really goes on so dont make wrong judgements and defend the cancer of our society.

too young!!

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 12/04/2007 - 22:38.

i'm not to young, i may be 18, but i have seen and been through more shit in the past 18 years than most people go through in a life time! We, meaning society need the department of child safety. There are reasons for kids being in care, and as soon as people except that there not doing a good enough job being a parent the better.

Re: too young!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 06/08/2007 - 00:06.

I have only ever believed that people who are doing something wrong to their children are, as these complaining parents put it 'interfered' with by DoCS. Firstly you are NOT too young sweetie and you have a great attitude in telling these people who are putting you down - off. You are working towards getting a job and bettering yourself and helping children that went through similar things to you, and that is commendable. To all those parents out there that will read this who are fuming right now, no I am not a DoCS worker. I am a parent the same as you. I have had DoCS involved in my life through false allegations and they proved that the allegations were false. Simply by me being honest and working with them to show them that the allegations were false. I understand that laws have changed in the past years, to not allowing parents to smack their kids, and whilst it can be frustrating not being able to discipline kids in this manner, the laws were introduced so that people didnt take it too far when smacking their kids and for those who do- there are rammifications. If DoCS are involved in your life, there is no point in going off at them. It only serves to prove the allegations that they were provided with. They didnt pick your names out of a phone book and say "ooo lets go and pick on these people today". They were TOLD by someone, reports would have had to have been made by someone, DoCS would have had to of assesed the reports, and then decided on whether a 'notification' was needed.... then investigation... and then attempting to work with the parents. Now dont go on to tell me that I am naiive, stupid, must be a DoCS worker, have no life experience or that I dont know what is going on in society. Dont go making a personal attack on me. I have dealt with similar issues to you.
How on earth would you know enough about this 18 year old woman that is saying that she has had a positive experience with DoCS- to turn around and call her a liar, and tell her that she has no life experience. Life experience is not age, or how many kids you have had. It is simply the meaning of the words- life experience (what experiences you have had in your life). It doesnt mean 'how many times you have alledgedy been made a victim by the so-called evil misdoings of DoCS and the number of children you have had that have been misguidedly stolen from your home by evil DoCS workers who are swooping in like seaguls in a flock for a tiny skerick of a chip.' I am not going to stoop as low as you angry parents and tell you to get a life like you have said to many people on here who dont fully agree with your opinions. How about you take your own advice and become more open to other peoples views and opinions. You may well have had a negative experience with DoCS, but why blame DoCS for it? How about directing your anger and frustration (I am not condoning personal attacking and physical violence I am talking about your emotions) on the people who made these allegedly false reports on you? Just remember that DoCS was set up by the government in good faith to protect children. It is not their fault if they are given misleading information, nor that they begin to believe the information when you go off at them. This woman is wanting to work with DoCS, why shoot someone down before you fully understand their intentions.While I do believe that there are cases of DoCS being unfair and unjust- like any government agency you could name, I am sure that not every DoCS worker takes up working there based on revenge or on desire to ruin families and make victims of innocent people.

Re Re: Too Young

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 21/08/2007 - 19:47.

You are sounding like a hipocrit. We are all sooooo guilty for getting stuck into her and calling her a liar, yet she started on us. Like she said, she is eighteen, therefore an adult and entitled to her own opinion. We are all adults and entitled to ours.

Secondly, how is it that soooo many of us have all had bad experiences with DoChS?

The Department being set-up in good faith by the Government does not, I repeat "DOES NOT" mean that it isn't corrupt.

If this Department was set up in good faith, then how is it that sooo many parents are complaining? Why is it that I have several conversations taped of DoChS where they are flat-out LYING, please feel free to dispute this, I'm sure that the Judge will agree with you-NOT. Why is it that DoChS were conspiring with Doctors at hospitals, I have this taped via mobile phone-video and voice. I also have taped Doctors using leading questions when interviewing my children, so please dispute that.

These have all been uploaded onto my comp etc. My Barristers, yes two of them have copies. The minister of child safety will be receiving her copy shortly, as well as the Shadow Minister, among others.

Quote:"I am sure that not every DoCS worker takes up working there based on revenge or on desire to ruin families and make victims of innocent people."

Wanna make a bet on that? Maybe, just maybe there may be a couple of DoChS workers that aren't corrupt but this would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

Yes, this young girl may have had a good experience with DochS as she was on the other side of the fence.


Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 18:09.

Definitely too young and you are out of touch with reality, and need to be educated to the true extent of the dirty tactics these vermin will go to.
But with attitudes like yours it makes our job even harder, a Royal Commission is the only hope at present and public awareness and education, not the ever present attitude of OH SURELY THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
Guess what? it does!



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