Dept of Child Safety QLD

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 31/10/2006 - 14:07

We are going through a bit of a shit fight at the moment with DOCS who are trying to steal our kids and it seems by what I have been told, (I\\\'m not quite sure if its true) that one of their favourite hunting grounds to abduct children is when your kids are at school. I would like to know whats wrong with this mob. The kids have told the police and DOCS that there has been no abuse, DOCS asked us to send them to do counselling but unfortunately the counselling by one of their government departments was not counselling, it was just a fishing exercise for anything they could extract from my three children.

When will they listen that nothing has ever happened. What in the hell is wrong with this mob? I have read a few articles on this site that explain to me the madness that is going on with this Beattie driven DOCS department but I am wondering, is there a dedicated hate site out there on the net today where people can join a forum to view and write their disgust with this mob. I have never seen a bunch of women that are so vindictive, treated my wife like shit, my kids like shit and they are always right. I would like to say a lot more which would probably single my case out but I will not say more as spies are around, but what I can tell you this, the tactics used by DOCS to try to extract information out of my children was not ethical and it was an utter disgrace NOTHING EVER HAPPENED, HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM!!!. WHEN DOES NO MEAN NO TO THIS DEPARTMENT? What is wrong with them?

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Reports made to Docs

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 02/08/2007 - 20:59.

Last year my sons father and I agreed that he would live with him. We had been apart for 6 years... had a rough time after I left him but things settled down and I thought that I could trust him. I had just been through a difficult pregnancy and birth with my daughter. I broke my foot not long after she was born and because I lived in a different town to the father (10mins drive) he asked me if he could have our son live with him. He was unable to drive out to me to pick our son up and take him to school every day... so we decided hed move to fathers and go to a new school. We had already had Orders in place, so we reversed the orders to child lives with father and so on. The day that we went in to sign the orders I allowed the father to drive me home. He raped me. He threatened me that if anyone found out I would no longer see my son and he would make my life a living hell. He continued to rape me and ask me for sexual favours for more than a month when I finally got the courage to speak up about it. I told his girlfriend and I was going to go to the police. I was stupid enough to agree to her pleas not to tell the police as their 2 kids would no longer have a father around and I didnt know what would happen with my son. Not long after I spoke up about this, both the father and his girlfriend began abusing my son. I have moved into the same town. My son has told me of instances of abuse, physical and exposure to drugs by the father, girlfriend and some other people in their family.

Reports have been made to DoCS. DoCS told me that they would let me know of everything that happens in the case, as it now has come to being investigated. I have heard nothing, and every time I ring them, they fob me off telling me that the case worker will call me back- but she never does, I have to call again and again only to be told- nothing. They went to my sons school. I only found out because on one of my contact visits he told me what had happened- and of more abuse inflicted on him by his father.
A friend of the father and girlfriend came to see me today. She told me that she too has been raped by the father and told me of abuse that she has seen in the home, but unfortunately is too frightened to come forth to help me with protecting my son and getting him the help that he so desperately needs. She also informed me that the police and child safety officers had visited their home today, no one was home so a card was left for them to ring back. I dont know what is happening with my son as no one will tell me. Now after countless times of trying to speak to the father to allow our son to come home to me to live... I have to go through the ugly process of applying to the Court for Interim and Final Orders. Unfortunately I have to use Legal Aid, and rely on DoCS to help my son. After reading alot of these posts, I am so terrified that 1/DoCS will take my son and I wont be able to help him, 2/ that they wont help him at all and my poor son will be left in that abusive situation and I will be labeled as a interfering liar. All I want is for someone to listen- this abuse is happening, I did go through hell with this man who took terrible advantage of the situation and is now hurting our son because I would not continue to be his sex toy (I appologise for any rudeness).

Interesting facts about DOCS / DCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 17/07/2007 - 11:17.

I have noticed that each time my children get a new caseworker and new team leader, all and any progress that was made goes out the window and the same with the previous case plans.

I obtained Legal Aid to fight the decision that DOCS wanted to place my children under a long-term guardianship order, they gained a two year custody order despite their reluctance to do so, But with the help of the children’s Representative and a report from the mediator that stated I should be given the chance to raise my children, this was granted.

I wanted to go to court and fight for my children to be placed in MY care right away, but thought if I would work with DOCS it would show that I am indeed a good parent. I have done Anger management, Triple p courses, and other courses off my own back. (It was funny that when they asked me to them I had already done them and it left them without anything else to ask of me and no other reason to hold me up).

I continued with the legal process required by the Department of Child Safety to work towards having my children reunited with me and after signing a consent order in the interest of expediting the matter, the case was concluded with a new custody order for 2 years being granted.
Below are the conditions under which I signed the consent order;

• I consent to a short-term order of custody ONLY to be granted to the Department of Child Safety.

• It is my understanding that during the duration of this 2 year order the Department of Child Safety will work with me to reunify *** and ****** into my care within that 2 years.

• It is my understanding that this reunification is not dependant on my residing in the ********* area.

• That I will be informed and involved as much as possible in the major events and decisions in my Children’s lives.

• I will be supplied copies of all medical and school reports regarding my children while in the Department of Child Safety’s care.

These condition in addition to the standard conditions of a custody order.

The acts of the Department of Child Safety since this order was granted I feel have strayed far from these conditions.

I have presented in person for supervised contact with my children as often as every 3 weeks since the granting of these orders. To achieve this I must travel some 1400kms at a cost of upwards of $250 for transport alone. At the Departments request I have taken time from my employment to attend at their office in business hours once very 6-8 weeks as well as made myself available for telephone conference calls for family meetings. I have also exercised phone contact with my children, which has increased from once per week to twice per week.
I have not received any medical or school reports for the children since these orders were granted. Nor do I feel I have been made involved in any decisions regarding my children’s long term well being, to the point that I have been restricted from phone contact for a time purely as a result of my youngest child having any upset day at school which was unrelated to me. In fact I was only informed of the reason for this change after contacting the public relations officer for Child Safety Gold Coast office.

The current worker for my children has been very unreliable with communication. I have repeatedly phoned the department of child safety with concerns and to relay and receive important information. On each occasion I have had to leave messages for them to get back to me and this never occurs, it takes me ringing contently each day and a week later I may get through to our CSO. It has been up to a month before getting a reply and this is from me phoning the Department of Child safety. Only on two occasions have I received a return phone call back. As result I have been left to make decision about certain issue without their input or mistake their lack of response as agreement.

One of these occasion was very recently, after months of supervised contact for only 4 hours a visit, I was informed I would be given unsupervised contact, I then requested that my current partner be allowed to join me on supervised contacts as she will a major part of their lives as my future wife and their stepmother. After phoning and leaving messages about this for 2 weeks prior to the contact I received no answer and decided that if they had any real objections they would have raised them within that time. My partner joined me on supervised contact and my children enjoyed their time with her a great deal and have accepted her as another person to love them. (I have recently moved in with my partner, we plan to be married in the near further, with her 3 children)

After this contact, no issues where raised about her attending and 3 weeks later she again joined me on an unsupervised contact visit for 4 hours. 3 weeks later at the next meeting at the department office, my partner attended with her 2 young daughters and she was left in the waiting area with my oldest son while I attended the meeting with the CSO. This meeting lasted some 40mins and during this meeting I was advised that I would no longer be allowed to have unsupervised contact with my children as they felt that my partner was upsetting the children with her presence. I was also advised that the location for the next days contact had been changed and that it would now be supervised. The CSO explained quite briefly her objections to my current partner, which all seemed to stem from her department record in another town and the number of notifications recorded in that file. I tried to explain to the CSO that my partner’s ex husband has been using the department as a means of tarnishing her reputation as a mother in his efforts to take her daughters from her in the family courts. I explained that I am fully aware of the nature and outcomes of all of these notifications and the details of the placement of her son with the department. Below are some of the facts about my partner’s record with the Department of Child Safety.
· There are a number of notifications recorded against her but very few substantiated findings and of these none are serious enough to be of concern or to have her remaining children removed for protection.
· Her son was not removed from her care but given voluntarily to the department to ensure the best care for his complex and high needs steaming from his various conditions.
· Her ex husband is currently having the matter of residency heard in the family court and still using the department to make allegations of poor parenting against my partner. This is evident because the claims made to the department are those already expressed in his affidavits to the courts. And while he has now moved away from making these complains in person, as he became regarded as a nuisance caller, we believe he has now employed the help of his friends and family to make these claims on his behalf to the Department of Child Safety.
During this meeting, my child, who had been sitting with my partner and her daughters UNSUPERVISED in the waiting area, interrupted and ask to join us in the meeting room and for my partner and daughters to join us. The CSO agreed and I spent approximately another 40mins in supervised interaction with the CSO, my child, my partner and her daughters. During this time my child demonstrated to the CSO that he was very comfortable and familiar with my partner as he played happily with her and her children. At not time did he display any signs of discomfort or distress as he hugged and interacted with my partner. During this time the CSO stated to myself and my partner that my child didn’t look distressed in anyway and that he has an obvious strong bond with my partner.

I complied with the departments wishes and arrived for contact the next day as instructed for supervised contact with both my children. My youngest child, was still showing signs of sickness, as he had been suffering from the flu for several days, and I asked the worker supervising the contact to end contact after only 2.5hrs to return him to his fostercarer, as no medication or pain relief had been supplied for his contact visit and I felt it was in his best interests to return to bed.

Since this contact I have telephone the CSO almost daily and as many as 5 times a day for the last 2 weeks to work out scheduling and meeting times. Also to clarify contact times and places for my next contact visit which was to be within 3 weeks of the last.

I finally received conformation during a call I placed to the department on Thursday the 12th July 2007 (the day before I be leaving to be in Brisbane for contact that weekend). During this call I spoke to a teamleader, who I was informed is the new Teamleader for my children’s case, with the current CSO present in the room. During this call I was informed of the following;
· Firstly I was asked what I wanted as far as contact was concerned to which I replied that I would like to have more contact perhaps unsupervised or weekends.
· That supervision would no longer be made available for me to have contact with my children on weekends as funding had been cut.
· That if I wanted to continue with contact I would have to arrange with my employers to have time away from work mid week to travel to for contact. (To achieve this I would have to travel midweek only to have contact from 3.30pm until 5pm, at which time the office closes. Total hours I would have contact with my children decreasing from 4 hours per trip down to 1.5hrs. In no way would I wish for my children’s education during school time to be cut short, I feel this would not be appropriate and ridiculous if it were to occur. In this day and age no employer would agree to such times being taken away from work, as to achieve these times I would be required to take 2 days away from my post midweek. This various great from the Case plan which stated that contact between myself and the children needs to be regular and occurring in their city of residence prior to being moved to my city of residence. To Date also there has been no mention of contact being provided to me in my city of residency by the caseworkers of Child Safety.)
· That I had been told by pervious workers not to allow my partner on contact visits as at pervious stages so that the children and myself could create a better bond. (It has now been over 6 months of physical contact with in excess of 6 months previous to this of telephone and letter contact and I feel that more of an effort should be made to move forward, not waiting until the eleventh hour and rushing the transition and increasing the likelihood of it failing. And as stated in the custody orders I retain my guardianship of the children and am thus responsible for their long term welfare which I feel I am doing by strenghting their bonds with the family to which they will soon become a full part.)

This telephone call has left me feeling very disillusioned as I have already spent the past 2 years fighting to have my sons returned to me as well as thousands of dollars in travel to Brisbane in an effort to make this transition smooth and show my willingness to work with the Department towards this goal.
I truly feel that as with the legal battle the Department is looking for and using any insignificant or outlandish reason to disallow or hinder any progress in unifying my family. By placing such unrealistic demands on a person who lives and works some 700kms from this office, with a stable home, employment and community support I believe my only option is to bring this matter to the Family courts as a last resort.
My advise to anyone in the same boat as me is to watch out as the department will look for and find any reason not matter how small or innocent to kept your children from you…in my case I was not even in the home when the children where taken into care. I had left the relationship but maintained weekly telephone contact with my children and had plans with their mother to have physical contact for school holidays. Some of the issues they have tried to use against me are as follows;
· That I was out of their lives for a 2 year period ( in fact they had not made effort to locate me to inform me that they had removed the children from their mother and she was not going to tell me. It was only a few months before I was able to trace their whereabouts and contacted DCS who where from the start unforthcoming with information)
· That my email address and user name was found in a Google search in groups discussing religious issues ( they printed off pages from Google for their affidavit as evidence that I am a Satanist as I had made comments within a group about Anton LaVey claims about his life) SO BECAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY ONLINE BIG BROTHER IS STILL WATCHING AND TWISTING WHAT YOU SAY!!
· A carjacking prevention email was forwarded from my yahoo account to my child’s account as a result of a malfunction in yahoo mail. They twisted this email into a ‘how to’ carjack email and again branded me as a bad parent. (last time I check Yahoo was not run by me and they have malfunctions that are not controlled by me. How many of you have sent an email on yahoo or some other net mail service only to find that they have sent it to everyone on your address list???)
· How many of you realize that you can destroy a person’s rights simply by making false reports to DCS??? If you throw enough mud something has to stick. In the case of DCS without any substantiation of these claims they have condemned an innocent mother as a person of risk based solely on the malicious reports of a vindictive person. IT’S HOW MANY NOTICATIONS NOT SUBSTANTIATED FINDINGS THAT COUNT!!!!

Inresting facts about DOCS / DCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 17/07/2007 - 11:13.

I have noticed that each time my children get a new caseworker and new team leader, all and any progress that was made goes out the window and the same with the previous case plans.

I obtained Legal Aid to fight the decision that DOCS wanted to place my children under a long-term guardianship order, they gained a two year custody order despite their reluctance to do so, But with the help of the children’s Representative and a report from the mediator that stated I should be given the chance to raise my children, this was granted.

I wanted to go to court and fight for my children to be placed in MY care right away, but thought if I would work with DOCS it would show that I am indeed a good parent. I have done Anger management, Triple p courses, and other courses off my own back. (It was funny that when they asked me to them I had already done them and it left them without anything else to ask of me and no other reason to hold me up).

I continued with the legal process required by the Department of Child Safety to work towards having my children reunited with me and after signing a consent order in the interest of expediting the matter, the case was concluded with a new custody order for 2 years being granted.
Below are the conditions under which I signed the consent order;

• I consent to a short-term order of custody ONLY to be granted to the Department of Child Safety.

• It is my understanding that during the duration of this 2 year order the Department of Child Safety will work with me to reunify *** and ****** into my care within that 2 years.

• It is my understanding that this reunification is not dependant on my residing in the ********* area.

• That I will be informed and involved as much as possible in the major events and decisions in my Children’s lives.

• I will be supplied copies of all medical and school reports regarding my children while in the Department of Child Safety’s care.

These condition in addition to the standard conditions of a custody order.

The acts of the Department of Child Safety since this order was granted I feel have strayed far from these conditions.

I have presented in person for supervised contact with my children as often as every 3 weeks since the granting of these orders. To achieve this I must travel some 1400kms at a cost of upwards of $250 for transport alone. At the Departments request I have taken time from my employment to attend at their office in business hours once very 6-8 weeks as well as made myself available for telephone conference calls for family meetings. I have also exercised phone contact with my children, which has increased from once per week to twice per week.
I have not received any medical or school reports for the children since these orders were granted. Nor do I feel I have been made involved in any decisions regarding my children’s long term well being, to the point that I have been restricted from phone contact for a time purely as a result of my youngest child having any upset day at school which was unrelated to me. In fact I was only informed of the reason for this change after contacting the public relations officer for Child Safety Gold Coast office.

The current worker for my children has been very unreliable with communication. I have repeatedly phoned the department of child safety with concerns and to relay and receive important information. On each occasion I have had to leave messages for them to get back to me and this never occurs, it takes me ringing contently each day and a week later I may get through to our CSO. It has been up to a month before getting a reply and this is from me phoning the Department of Child safety. Only on two occasions have I received a return phone call back. As result I have been left to make decision about certain issue without their input or mistake their lack of response as agreement.

One of these occasion was very recently, after months of supervised contact for only 4 hours a visit, I was informed I would be given unsupervised contact, I then requested that my current partner be allowed to join me on supervised contacts as she will a major part of their lives as my future wife and their stepmother. After phoning and leaving messages about this for 2 weeks prior to the contact I received no answer and decided that if they had any real objections they would have raised them within that time. My partner joined me on supervised contact and my children enjoyed their time with her a great deal and have accepted her as another person to love them. (I have recently moved in with my partner, we plan to be married in the near further, with her 3 children)

After this contact, no issues where raised about her attending and 3 weeks later she again joined me on an unsupervised contact visit for 4 hours. 3 weeks later at the next meeting at the department office, my partner attended with her 2 young daughters and she was left in the waiting area with my oldest son while I attended the meeting with the CSO. This meeting lasted some 40mins and during this meeting I was advised that I would no longer be allowed to have unsupervised contact with my children as they felt that my partner was upsetting the children with her presence. I was also advised that the location for the next days contact had been changed and that it would now be supervised. The CSO explained quite briefly her objections to my current partner, which all seemed to stem from her department record in another town and the number of notifications recorded in that file. I tried to explain to the CSO that my partner’s ex husband has been using the department as a means of tarnishing her reputation as a mother in his efforts to take her daughters from her in the family courts. I explained that I am fully aware of the nature and outcomes of all of these notifications and the details of the placement of her son with the department. Below are some of the facts about my partner’s record with the Department of Child Safety.
· There are a number of notifications recorded against her but very few substantiated findings and of these none are serious enough to be of concern or to have her remaining children removed for protection.
· Her son was not removed from her care but given voluntarily to the department to ensure the best care for his complex and high needs steaming from his various conditions.
· Her ex husband is currently having the matter of residency heard in the family court and still using the department to make allegations of poor parenting against my partner. This is evident because the claims made to the department are those already expressed in his affidavits to the courts. And while he has now moved away from making these complains in person, as he became regarded as a nuisance caller, we believe he has now employed the help of his friends and family to make these claims on his behalf to the Department of Child Safety.
During this meeting, my child, who had been sitting with my partner and her daughters UNSUPERVISED in the waiting area, interrupted and ask to join us in the meeting room and for my partner and daughters to join us. The CSO agreed and I spent approximately another 40mins in supervised interaction with the CSO, my child, my partner and her daughters. During this time my child demonstrated to the CSO that he was very comfortable and familiar with my partner as he played happily with her and her children. At not time did he display any signs of discomfort or distress as he hugged and interacted with my partner. During this time the CSO stated to myself and my partner that my child didn’t look distressed in anyway and that he has an obvious strong bond with my partner.

I complied with the departments wishes and arrived for contact the next day as instructed for supervised contact with both my children. My youngest child, was still showing signs of sickness, as he had been suffering from the flu for several days, and I asked the worker supervising the contact to end contact after only 2.5hrs to return him to his fostercarer, as no medication or pain relief had been supplied for his contact visit and I felt it was in his best interests to return to bed.

Since this contact I have telephone the CSO almost daily and as many as 5 times a day for the last 2 weeks to work out scheduling and meeting times. Also to clarify contact times and places for my next contact visit which was to be within 3 weeks of the last.

I finally received conformation during a call I placed to the department on Thursday the 12th July 2007 (the day before I be leaving to be in Brisbane for contact that weekend). During this call I spoke to a teamleader, who I was informed is the new Teamleader for my children’s case, with the current CSO present in the room. During this call I was informed of the following;
· Firstly I was asked what I wanted as far as contact was concerned to which I replied that I would like to have more contact perhaps unsupervised or weekends.
· That supervision would no longer be made available for me to have contact with my children on weekends as funding had been cut.
· That if I wanted to continue with contact I would have to arrange with my employers to have time away from work mid week to travel to for contact. (To achieve this I would have to travel midweek only to have contact from 3.30pm until 5pm, at which time the office closes. Total hours I would have contact with my children decreasing from 4 hours per trip down to 1.5hrs. In no way would I wish for my children’s education during school time to be cut short, I feel this would not be appropriate and ridiculous if it were to occur. In this day and age no employer would agree to such times being taken away from work, as to achieve these times I would be required to take 2 days away from my post midweek. This various great from the Case plan which stated that contact between myself and the children needs to be regular and occurring in their city of residence prior to being moved to my city of residence. To Date also there has been no mention of contact being provided to me in my city of residency by the caseworkers of Child Safety.)
· That I had been told by pervious workers not to allow my partner on contact visits as at pervious stages so that the children and myself could create a better bond. (It has now been over 6 months of physical contact with in excess of 6 months previous to this of telephone and letter contact and I feel that more of an effort should be made to move forward, not waiting until the eleventh hour and rushing the transition and increasing the likelihood of it failing. And as stated in the custody orders I retain my guardianship of the children and am thus responsible for their long term welfare which I feel I am doing by strenghting their bonds with the family to which they will soon become a full part.)

This telephone call has left me feeling very disillusioned as I have already spent the past 2 years fighting to have my sons returned to me as well as thousands of dollars in travel to Brisbane in an effort to make this transition smooth and show my willingness to work with the Department towards this goal.
I truly feel that as with the legal battle the Department is looking for and using any insignificant or outlandish reason to disallow or hinder any progress in unifying my family. By placing such unrealistic demands on a person who lives and works some 700kms from this office, with a stable home, employment and community support I believe my only option is to bring this matter to the Family courts as a last resort.
My advise to anyone in the same boat as me is to watch out as the department will look for and find any reason not matter how small or innocent to kept your children from you…in my case I was not even in the home when the children where taken into care. I had left the relationship but maintained weekly telephone contact with my children and had plans with their mother to have physical contact for school holidays. Some of the issues they have tried to use against me are as follows;
· That I was out of their lives for a 2 year period ( in fact they had not made effort to locate me to inform me that they had removed the children from their mother and she was not going to tell me. It was only a few months before I was able to trace their whereabouts and contacted DCS who where from the start unforthcoming with information)
· That my email address and user name was found in a Google search in groups discussing religious issues ( they printed off pages from Google for their affidavit as evidence that I am a Satanist as I had made comments within a group about Anton LaVey claims about his life) SO BECAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY ONLINE BIG BROTHER IS STILL WATCHING AND TWISTING WHAT YOU SAY!!
· A carjacking prevention email was forwarded from my yahoo account to my child’s account as a result of a malfunction in yahoo mail. They twisted this email into a ‘how to’ carjack email and again branded me as a bad parent. (last time I check Yahoo was not run by me and they have malfunctions that are not controlled by me. How many of you have sent an email on yahoo or some other net mail service only to find that they have sent it to everyone on your address list???)
· How many of you realize that you can destroy a person’s rights simply by making false reports to DCS??? If you throw enough mud something has to stick. In the case of DCS without any substantiation of these claims they have condemned an innocent mother as a person of risk based solely on the malicious reports of a vindictive person. IT’S HOW MANY NOTICATIONS NOT SUBSTANTIATED FINDINGS THAT COUNT!!!!

RE: Inresting facts about DOCS / DCS

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Tue, 17/07/2007 - 11:52.

Firstly, what you are going through is "standard issue" when it comes to DoCS on the Gold Coast.

From what you have said, I think I know exactly which DoCS office you are dealing with plus your CSO and her Team Leader. The sad truth is that if the 2 people I am thinking of are managing your case, they are doing their "usual" with your family. Your story smacks of too many similarities to another man whom I know of that is getting the EXACT same treatment from a DoCS office on the Gold Coast.

Also, just FYI, anything "substantiated" by DoCS DOES NOT mean that it's fact. DoCS will substantiate anything, true or false, it's what they do and it should be illegal.

Many many parents have had notifications against them substantiated by DoCS when the actual FACTS behind the notifications do not validate substantiation.

Keep copies of your phone bills that show itemized calls. Don't put it past DoCS to write in an affidavit that they get no communication from you because they will. Have the phone bills ready to produce to show that you HAVE been trying to communicate with them.

re Toni's comment

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 22/07/2007 - 01:01.

Toni
The comment of keeping proof via phone records of the fact that one has called is good advice.

However, I must add that in NSW officials have "misled" their superiors right up to the Minister regarding the content of that phone call, especially in light of their own responses and behaviours.

Therefore I would recommend that you take exceptionally careful notes, of the exact nature of what is discussed at each of these telephone conversations. I would heartily endorse the practice of having a friend listen in and sign an affadavit of the content of these calls. A stenographer/ secretary is ideal.

In NSW, the written procedure from the Investigation Toolkit recommends that nothing be put in writing in dealing with "difficult complainants", and maintains that a phone call is the most appropriate method. The reason for this is that it leaves no paper trail to disprove any assertions that may be made about the actual content of these calls.

Although there should be more thorough scrutiny of the manner and tactics used during these conversations, and the inaccurate notes that the dept makes regarding these interactions, nothing appears to be done. Misrepresenting a govt department should entail serious ramifications, sadly it seems to indicate promotion.

Re: Toni's Comment and Calls to DoCS

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Mon, 23/07/2007 - 12:41.

I don't know if anybody else has noticed this, but I have and I find it extremely interesting.

If we were to ring Centrelink, our bank, our telephone company or almost anybody else, we will get a recorded message at some point telling us that our phone conversation will be recorded for X reason (usually training purposes) and if we did not want our call recorded we are to inform the person who answers our call.

We've all heard this disclaimer doing our everyday business.

You would think that above all, DoCS would be required to have all phone conversations recorded. But they're not and they don't.

This is something that has concerned me for a long time. I can say to my solicitor that I told the CSO X, Y and Z, but it's too easy for DoCS to be able to deny everything and even though I more than likely had a witness to my phone conversations, it means nothing at this point in time.

It happened to me, I rang DoCS and told them that I was forced outside during a contact visit with my children and my children plus the visit supervisors (too many to remain inside my house) were eaten alive by mosquitoes.

DoCS told the court my children had been eaten alive by fleas inside my home and dated the statement in their affidavit the exact same date in which I had phoned them about too many contact supervisors and being forced outdoors to be bitten by mosquitoes.

Hypocrisy of DOCS

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 15/07/2007 - 23:35.

I can state this as a fact with first hand knowledge, that children in care of the department of child safety in Queensland are permitted to do things that the department themselves would use against parents if they did it or did nothing about it.

1. Docs provide money for carers to provide children under 18 with cigarettes, with utmost knowledge of that the money buys cigarettes for the children.

2. Docs with the knowledge that a child has started a drug habit while in there care, do nothing about it and allow it to continue.

This is just for starters.

the Department of Child Safety is worthless

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 15/07/2007 - 16:05.

Its no wonder the Department of Child Safety is worthless, they employee people with no life experience, that have just read textbooks.
Take these two I found on myspace

www.myspace.com/sxxxxxa

www.myspace.com/ixxxxxxxe

(Ed: Issues raised in this forum are with the various DoCS, not with any individual. The myspace profile names have been changed on request.)

For myspace

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 13:39.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what a joke, just think DOCS has already plenty of those types working for them.

Do We Really Need to Go Here???

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 18:41.

Hey parents - keep in mind these young students or to-be-DoCS CSO's, are the LUCKY ONES!

They will be trained under the new Legislation and with 'awareness' of the way it was.

Our children's children will be able to say.... remember the "Stolen Generation-Gate?" and nobody will even remember the Aboriginal Stolen Generation, that was replaced with us.

So let's root for these young guys. As the Angry "Pink" would say..... "HERRRR!!!!"

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

For myspace

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 13:30.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what a joke, just think DOCS has already plenty of those types working for them.

DoCS officers

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 09:09.

I saw the MySpace pages for the DoCS workers when I added power4parents.org to MySpace. I did a search just out of curiosity.

The sad reality is that if a person graduates from high school, they can work for DoCS. They don't need to go to uni and they don't need any kind of degree.

This means that not only are uneducated people making HUGE decisions about Australian families, but they have no background and no education to base these decisions on.

Unfortunately people who think working for DoCS is all about helping children are blind to the reality of it.

The reality of it is that children are damaged, parents are damaged, extended family members and family friends are damaged. Adults can compute thins themselves and work through the damage, but children can't and the only way they work through things is via negative and antisocial behaviour.

Yet DoCS officers won't help the children work through everything because they consider it "sticking pins" in in the child.

RE: DOCS OFFICERS

Submitted by victims of DoCS... on Sat, 21/07/2007 - 20:58.

I just had my children including a very young baby returned back to me after three very long weeks - short for a lot of other families though.

Toni Lancaster- you couldn't have said it any better if you had tried.

DoChS are a bunch of malicious, untrained, inexperienced snotty-nosed little school girls who expect all the respect in the world, yet give none to anyone else.

They abduct your children. Then expect you to be all polite and co-operative about it.

Yes, Schools are their hunting grounds for abducting your children- SO BEWARE ALL PARENTS.

They put words into your children's mouth.

They conspire with other professionals to use leading questions.

They are in thick with the Police.

You are Parents, Families etc - YET IN THIS STATE RUN BY A VERY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.

FACT 1 - GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT

FACT 2 - IT IS UP TO YOU TO PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT YET SHOW CONCERN FOR YOUR CHILD/RENS SAFETY ONLY. (In short, if you are proving yourself innocent, you are not being protective or showing concern for child/ren. Therefore they get to keep your kids longer.)

FACT 3 - ONCE YOU PROVE YOURSELF INNOCENT - YOU ARE STILL GUILTY!

I have sat here all day

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 18/08/2007 - 19:18.

I have sat here all day reading posts on here. Im a foster carer, and basically everything that anyone has written on here is true about DOCHS or CSO workers. Us foster Carers have the same problems as well with CSO and so called Team leaders. I have had a child placed in my care now for 12 weeks and not a word from a CSO worker or anything. They told me his name was M****** but in fact his name is G**** , and told me he was 2 years old, but I found out from Medicare he was 3.5 years old. So here is this little boy, been taken away from his family ,put into foster care,has no idea what the hell is happening to him and has these complete strangers calling him a different name. I felt so bad for this child , and when I rang Dochs to tell them they gave me the wrong name, they just said " oh well ". This happens alot when kids get put into care. Most of the time foster carers ask themselves ," why are we doing this"? It is also very stressful for us, we never get our phone calls returned, we are always chasing them. They are always away on training courses, Gee how many do they have to do ???? Always getting new Case workers,who have no idea what they are doing, so we start from scratch again.
The system is sooo corrupted and we see it everyday, no wonder they cant keep foster Carers, because most of us see what happens and do not want to be a part of it.
Good luck to all you Parents who are having a hard time.

LET THEM KNOW!

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 20/08/2007 - 10:48.

If you were to draft a Brief Summary of this story to Jann Stuckey AND Desley Boyle AND a copy to the Coalition Office in Brisbane this is what would possibly happen:

The Coalition at present, going hard on these items head to head in Parliament with Des Boyle, will receive this story. Jann Stuckey's office will probably draft a question in Parliament to Desley Boyle about your case in particular or something related. Letting Desley know can prepare her for the question - which she will have to involve herself in communicating with yourself and the Department you are dealing with.

And if none of the above happens, I am certain the Coalition Office that also receives a copy, will draft the question themselves for Jann Stuckey to PUT to Desley Boyle at the next sitting.

They Need this Information !!!!!

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

When DO they get it right?

Submitted by Undaunted in QLD (not verified) on Sat, 18/08/2007 - 20:53.

They rarely get anything right, so perhaps it is why they formulate one invalid "concern" after another. Recently, one CSO kept talking about our supposed "two-year-old", going on about the dynamics of a two-year-old and any possible concerns. Since we have more than one child (none of them near two), I couldn't work out what she was talking about until several minutes later. Good time wasters, though.

Sincerely, almost everything they say or bring up is either total rubbish, or, at best, misinformation.

power4parents on myspace

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 23:14.

What is the link to the power4parents?

Link for power4parents on MySpace

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Tue, 17/07/2007 - 09:46.

The MySpace link is www.myspace.com/power4parents

The MySpace site for power4parents.org is only new so information is limited at this point.

A Group will be added on Sunday (have to wait 7 days)

Alternatively power4parents.org has it's own web site which is www.power4parents.org

The Ignorance Goes On....

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 09:46.

Nobody in DoCS knows what "Parental Alienation" is, and just agree to stand together repeating, "it doesn't exist". They believe that so long as they all support that theory, the theory will become reality.

Every Magistrate in the Family Courts knows and deals with the above syndrome on a daily basis and they don't have trouble admitting it exists. The Magistrates actually know MORE that the children are reacting to their social environment, lack of love & affection, lack of proper response to calls for help and reactions to the strange situation the poor little tyke has to endure.

Yet it STILL doesn't exist to the DoCS. So what happens when a Magistrate wipes of these 'allegations' as related to the mother's inability to properly care for her child? Well - you know, DoCS just do what they usually do - they ignore her too. In fact, to save face of the Magistrate repeating this at yet another hearing or mention, the Department have no hesitation in going back into court on a day when their 'bud' the Magistrate is on duty, to ask for EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT - because they know they'll get it.

And they do! So there's more than just DoCS corrupting the line of justice. I'm certain this Magistrate would be the ONLY one to oblige, however it only takes ONE BAD EGG to destroy a generation of children through the courts.

Until the Magistrates are told these women are actually LIARS and manipulating a system that would otherwise work, only then can change be made. Fortunately, this is underway, with Magistrates being one of the first officials to be notified of a Royal Commission Inquiry into the Department of Child Safety - due to reasons that outline a lot of similarities he has perhaps begun to notice with Children's Court procedures incl. DoCS.

They LIE! That's very disturbing - however, notice there has been no more feedback from the DoCS workers I approached in this forum? Perhaps they have heard from their own Managers, that the Department is under investigation for telling lies, manipulating families' stories and damaging a generation of children for nothing more than a worker's 'feelings'. Perhaps she realised that the power she had, was all in her imaginery head.

Perhaps now she will realise that her 'feelings' should not be included in any professional representation on behalf of a Govt. Department. Good luck to all their future careers!

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

Solicitors often don't help either

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 11:06.

Each DoCS case, where they are trying to obtain a court order to have protective custody of "Little Johnny" will have an actual court date where witnesses are called in from both sides of the fence and testimonies are given.

Every other hearing is simply a mention.

Unfortunately, and I have seen this myself, too many solicitors prefer to wait it out until the "real" court date to load up their guns and fire both barrels at DoCS and by then it is TOO LATE.

Rarely will you see a solicitor who will stand up on day one and give the Magistrate the parent's side of the story. Some solicitors do have the spine to speak for the parents like they are supposed to, but too many of them won't and it's not doing families any favours.

Solicitors need to all stand up in court and give the parent's side of the story and parents, who are employing these solicitors to act for them, need to make sure that their solicitors do this.

Don't Pay Solicitors!

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 14:34.

If you use Legal Aid - you will receive a complacent solicitor, happy to 'sit it out' as described above.

However, if you have a first consultation free session with as many solicitors as you can, you will find one you can pay to represent you. Even if they don't believe they can do the children's court. Most Family Court Lawyers are allowed to do Children's Court representations.

But even then - you must have the information, prepare the paperwork, submissions, your affidavit etc., and having paid them a deposit, you are now able to 'instruct' them.

Legal Aid is just what they created when they realised they were putting innocent 'o/due parking fine' people in jail with axe murderers. It's just a stay out of jail card. That's why there's no justice for those on smaller charges.

Even better still - represent yourself and tell them they lied, you didn't do that. Deny it like it is and go in and use this and examples (ie. print out a section of this forum) to use as 'Exhibits' as to how many other innocent Australians are going through the same LIES, DESTRUCTION and CHAOS!!!

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

I agree

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 14:46.

NEVER let Legal Aide issue a solicitor to you. This is the worst mistake a parent can make. Solicitors who are given cases know Legal Aide will pay them, so they don't bother really representing the parent.

It costs nothing to ask a solicitor if they do Legal Aide work. If they don't they can often give you the number of a solicitor who does.

If you're not happy with your solicitor, find another or represent yourself. I don't advise self-representation unless you have the confidence to do it.

Magistrates expect legal reps to speak, so if your solicitor isn't speaking, SPEAK FOR YOURSELF! Stand up and address the court. After all, every parent has the right to be heard in court.

Can't Address the Court

Submitted by Legislation Lisa on Mon, 16/07/2007 - 18:26.

Toni,

I think most parents that have come this far are completely aware of all this.

However - it is important to point out that you are not permitted to address the Bench if you have a legal reprepsentative with you.

Legislation Lisa
Cairns - FNQ

Addressing the Court

Submitted by Toni Lancaster on Tue, 17/07/2007 - 09:56.

Lisa,

That's not exactly true and I'm speaking from my own experience.

If a parent has legal representation, the Magistrate will expect the legal rep to address the court (as that is what they are there for) but parents can request to address the court if they want to say something.

This may not exist in every court room, but I have been in court rooms where it has been permitted.

I have also been told by a Magistrate myself that they expect the legal rep to do all the talking but will listen to the parent if the parent has something to say.

Also, another thing which parents may not be aware of...

Parents have the right to APPEAL directly to the Magistrate within 28 days of the Magistrate's decision being handed down.

you are not wrong

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 15/07/2007 - 16:59.

what else can you expect from such a loser department

Reading over everything

Submitted by Toni Lancaster (not verified) on Fri, 06/07/2007 - 17:01.

I spent almost the whole day today reading over everything here that has been posted about DoCS.

For those of you who are desperately trying to be heard, you will get your chance. Websites are currently being created so that parents (foster and biological) can obtain support in their situations.

For those of you who were in foster care. It is wonderful to hear that you were given an opportunity. Unfortunately being on the "other side of the fence", you were pretected from what was truely going on between your parents and DoCS. You would never have gotten a real chance to see what parents actually go through for the sake and love of their children.

For those of you who work for DoCS, DHS or any other Child Protection body, take a leap of faith and come forward to help parents and their families get the justice that they deserve.

For those of you who have attacked parents on this forum for trying to help their children, take your blinkers off. Nobody is saying that DoCS do not have a place in society. We all know that there are children out there who are genuinely abused and neglected. Unfortunately there is an alarming rate of parents who have lost custody of their children who have done absolutely nothing to put them in harm's way what so ever.

How docs got it so wrong

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 05/07/2007 - 23:39.

I cannot belive the hide of docs and the police, My sister,s children were taken away by docs, all because my nephew had a cut two his head, when she was moving a cubourd and there was a pice of metal sheet on it that she forgot about, she has 4 children 1.Whith (ADD) and the outher 2 boys have aspurges syndrom and the outher health and normal, So she take,s him to the hospital and explained what happend then next day docs was out canvasing the town asking everyone what they thought goes on in the house, They also took her 5yr old daughter from school unbe knowence to her and question her what happend to her brother and they said did your mummy hurt him and she replyed (yes) and that was that.Monday morning came next thing they were at our outher sisters place that lives 15klms away freom wre thay lives barged in said wre taking your children and her husband was standing near the car and next thing he was having a epeliptic fit as he does when stressed out the 3 police officers jumped on him and smashed his head into the concreat, Everyone there yelling his having a fit and to stop call a ambulance they police thyen jammed there knee,s into is neck picked him up and tru im into the wagon while having a epelptic fit. Then they drove him to hospital. My poor sister stood horrifide of what was happing then a docs women thrusted a pice off paper at her and said we are taking your children as u abused your son, and we have hard evidence she asked what evidence, (They replyed we cant tell u that)Don,t contact them we will contact u They had 8 counts of abuse 2 start with then went to 3 and when she went to court that she nor her solicitor knew about(That anouther person she knew rang to say they were due in court that day, Because the case worker told her she had to have a meeting at anouther place, They told her this she she wouldn,t get to court But she got there just in time,I rang docs myself to see what was going on and they wont respond to my calls or any outher family members,(How bloody rude)Her children were hysterical and so was my outher nices that where there that day an seen the whole bloody thing happend. They have to have therapy now I thoughtdocs were there for the chioldren well in this case they mentaly abused the children with that display (How blood sick) One small thing like this can just wreck ur entire life(where fighting to get them back) I find it all to strange because her 4 yr old son who she had, so called abused can,t talk due to his autism (Aspurges syndrom)And the hospital pounced on it , Maybe if he could talk and say what happend then it would probly be a diffrent story (How sad ) We all just keep on fighting until there can be a better system in place.
I just need to vent that all out.

RE:How docs got it so wrong

Submitted by victims of DoCS... on Sat, 21/07/2007 - 21:41.

Firstly Sympathy to your sister and her family and to you.

This is a case of DE JA VUE. (x 1000 000-no joke)

This is a case of docs being on a power trip. It just so happens that they are on a power trip daily.

This is how they try out their new carers to see if they are fit to be foster carers. They take innocent peoples children in order to practice for the real situations - just like a fire drill.

It is a well known fact that docs expect parents to chuck mentals at them when they abduct their children. This is great for them as they don't have to deal with these parents any longer because it is considered threatening etc. So the call in the Police and they deal with it. But it really upsets them when one plays them the smart way. They then can't call Police and Docs have to deal with situation themselves.

Naturally, one wants to act like a lioness protecting her cub and rip this lot to threads- answer: docs call police. Approach situation in a different way, despite your hatred - end result: could end up with your kids back- like I did. > more details shortly.

To the above person

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/07/2007 - 14:39.

Just in case you are from Brisbane the next step will be to send your children to SACS GESTAPO (Sexual Abuse Counselling Service) !!!in Brisbane at Elliot St, Park Road.(If you live outside Brisbane they will find you a suitable Gestapo office to go to.) Even if your children have NEVER complained of Sexual abuse the witches at Park Rd S.A.C.S. or elseware will say it has happened. Be careful this concentration camp at Park Road S.A.C.S.or others uses any tricks within and outside the law to entrap your children to say something they do not even understand. Hail Hitler!!!!! you witches at Stalag Park Road You all will be bought to justice for your lies!!!.

GET HELP IMMEDIATELY!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 06/07/2007 - 07:47.

You need to make contact IMMEDIATELY with any or all of the following people.

Notification needs to be made to the same people we are bombarding with our stories. They are as follows:

1. Jann Stuckey (Shadow Minister for Child Safety)
(speak with Angela.owen-taylor @ parliament.qld.gov.au)

2. Just let Desley Boyle's office know - but don't waste too much time, they're not interested;

3. The Ombudsman Qld - speak with whomever has taken over from 'Heather';

4. Immediately contact and write to Ethical Standards Commission re handling of the father by police.

The sooner you let as many of these people know, the sooner your sister's case will turn around. If she doesn't get this sorted RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW at this INCIDENT - clear it up - then, you can be guaranteed a lifetime of torment from this Department until we get the Royal Commission Inquiry actually happening, and that isn't too far off now.

Good Luck!

RE: get help immediately!!!!!!

Submitted by victims of DoCS... on Sat, 21/07/2007 - 22:03.

Desley Boyle's office will care if you notify Jann Stuckey's office about situation and anything that Desley Boyle's office fails to do. It helps to play the Minister of Child Safety off against the Shadow Minister. Any letters that you write to Desley Boyle (always put in writing) send courtesy copies to Jann Stuckey's Office. Send copies to the premier, the opposition, prime minister and opposition- anyone that you can think of. Docs are treating your family like a game. Play them back at their own game.
Despite writing your letters-even if you tell docs you have written them- docs will pretend that they don't care and that they have every intention of keeping your kids. THIS IS ABOUT THE ONLY THING APART FROM LYING THAT THEY ARE TRAINED IN.

i didnt realise this is

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 03/07/2007 - 21:23.

i didnt realise this is happening to so many families this is happening to people i know too and it has disgusted me to say the least they have destroyed this family and caused emotional abuse an trauma to the family. I myself cannot sleep at night so scared and worried about this poor innocent child who they have ripped from away from a loving caring family. how do we beat them at there game they are so deceipful and cunning? i thought they were suppose to help kids not inflict abuse themselves.

Corrupt DoCS Lobby Group

Submitted by Lisa (not verified) on Wed, 06/06/2007 - 14:30.

I'm sure you all want to do more than 'chat' about it....

Please sign the DoCS iPetition, then email me at: y2kassist@hotmail.com

to be part of a Lobby Group, with plans to travel from Bne-Canberra this year.

Keep fighting - never lose sight of their corruption. Together, we can lick this, and get our kids back whilst they're under investigation.

Come with me.....

y2kassist@hotmail.com

I'm a Foster Carer

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 21/05/2007 - 15:10.

I'm a foster Carer , have three kids in care with me and also have two children myself. Six months ago I was tricked to come into the DEPT , I was told it was to talk about another child and I didnt need a support person as there was nothing to worry about. When I get there , I was taken into a room with two other Dept workers. In fact I was not there to talk about a child in care, iwas there because there had been an allegation made. I was asked about my dead child that I had given birth to Ten years ago who died from birth defects . I was asked for his birth & Death certificates , the number of his plot where he is buried and who was my cousellor while going through the grieving process. After not answering these questions, I was then asked why my daughter has a different surname to my own. Then I was accused of not giving my other daughter her medication as there was no record of her taking medication at school. I was actually driving everyday to my daughters school to medicate her myself . Months beforehand I actually gave the school her medication to give to her at a specific time, which was never given to her at all. So thats when I decided to drive everyday and do it myself. But apparently I am not allowed to administer medication for ADD while she is at school. ( new to me) Recently I went to the Principal Office and saw my daughters medication sitting on his table, when It by LAW should be stored in a safe place out of reach of children as its a schedule 8 medication.
Months later Im still waiting for a reason why I was investigated about my own children and what the outcome of the investigation is. In the mean time the teachers and school workers are fully aware that we are being investigated , due to a complete lack of confidentiality between DOCHS and the Principal. In the mean time we are told by DOCHS that our ability to be foster carers is not in question as we still have Foster children living with us. Recently due to our not letting DOCHS win and consistently asking for reasons why they are treating us like child abusers, they send a Psychologist around to our house to analyse us for 4 hours on a Saturday.
According to DOCHS this is a common situation ???????????????
As it has been months of waiting and false promises and broken deals from DOCHS we are still living in limbo and not knowing what to do or where we stand.
All this has stemmed from leaked information from DOCHS that is confidential. Now we are guilty , (of unconfirmed allegations), till we prove ourselves innocent.
We have been told from different people we should go to the Anti-discrimination Commision and Crime&misconduct Commision, but we are unsure in which direction to follow. All of this has happened and all I wanted to do is to be a Foster Carer for people who are less fortunate than myself.

DoCS Foster Carer

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 08/06/2007 - 16:23.

It sounds as though they are desperately groping for an excuse to remove the children as they have:

1. A new carer on the block they need to 'satisfy';
2. The children were in 'respite' care when they decided they liked another family;
3. Need to give children to a carer (friend) who is short of money just before Xmas;
4. They are offering you an opportunity to sue them to bits.... by way of suggesting you have been 'unfit' carers - for how long? That would be more damaging and compensatable - the fact that they are trying to suddenly turn you into bad foster parents for something that may have happened 10 years ago, or perhaps the medication semantics, semantics, semantics.

I would like to know where you are at with this at the moment? Could you please advise and update me here in the forum, or at my email:

Good Luck!

Foster Carer (part 2)

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 12/06/2007 - 22:32.

After talking to many people on here and getting much needed support, I have actually gotton somewhere at last.
Last week the Zonal director became aware of many things that was happening in our DOCHS office. In fact I was not the only Foster Carer who was getting treated badly , in fact there were many families who had complained , but mine was the worst case.
I got to read the investigating report that was done the first timeI was pulled in for questioning. I had to laugh because in that report, there was so many things that where twisted around and things I hadn't actually said.
1. Apparently I told them that there was Turrets in my family.
In fact I told them that there was Asperges Syndrome, (not Turrets).
2. Apparently I said that my daughter was on Anti-depressants.
In fact I told them that she was on behaviour medication.
After the manager showed me this report. she basically told me that I was a liar and that the investigator never asked me about my dead child that I had ten years ago. After letting her rattle off for about ten minutes , I advised her that I had a audio evidence , in fact that I used my mp3 player on many occasions and taped many conversations involving DOCHS workers. I advised her that I have that conversation, the day they made my life a living hell 6 months ago. And that maybe she better think twice about making me out to be a liar, and should start looking into their corrupted workers.
At the end of the day, all of a sudden I have been cleared. In fact they tell me today that there was never a concern about me being a parent to my own children. (What a load of crap). I find out later that they actually got into trouble for the way they have been operating. And of course I found this out by a DOCHS worker in that office ( more leaked information from a confidential workers).
My opinions on Desley Boyle- well there is none, she basically doesn't want to know, because in her eyes Dept workers are the best. The system is so corrupted , and there isnt many nice Dept wokers, if there is , it wont be long till they start being corrupted as well.

There is so much more to my story , you can contact me at nastygirl02185@hotmail.com.
I'm sure this is not the end of it.

Thanks for your time.

DoCS corruption

Submitted by Dustyman on Mon, 28/05/2007 - 16:22.

Hi just read about DoCS intervention into your life. we are going through the same thing with these animals ( that is the nicest thing I can say about them), after jumping through the hoops that they wanted and having a counsellors report that stated that our children have come to more harm from DoCS than they would have if they had been at home also with two different laywers telling them to allow the children home DoCS have decided that they are going to refuse all mittigating factors and keep our children until we take them to court in October this year. They are a power unto them selves. there is a petition going round for a royal inquiry into this department but it needs signatures so have a look and sign it please. you have the right to access your personal file from them under the freedom of information act (USE IT!) but in the mean time if you are in Qld write a letter to the minister Desley Boyle and also the ombudsman as well. all the best with your struggle as these animals are still watching you as they never give up. try taking your story to the media if you can do not be intimidate you can contact me on husky58 @ hotmail.com for help if needed Cheers Dusty

OPPOSITION POLLIES ONLY!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 08/06/2007 - 16:33.

Dusty,

In adding to your comments above.

I suggest and strongly advise you stay away from expecting help from Desley Boyle's office. By all means, 'notify' and 'summarise' her - but don't ask her for help.

She represents an office in power in the whole state of Qld - being Labor. Best to save yourself another visit from Mental Health (which is a common format used when Pollies 'get stuck'), and go directly to our esteemed Opposition Ministers. They are willing and ABLE to help.

Pollies in current power (like Desley) are bound by their own legislation, policies and procedures. However, those in Opposition (Jann Stuckey) are NOT in current power in this state and are therefore NOT BOUND by dysfunctional legislation, policies and procedures. In fact, so untied are there hands, they can make some very mysterious things happen that WILL WORK FOR YOU.

Trust me on this one. Opposition Pollies Only!

And if you haven't already, please sign the iPetition and then join our Lobby Group : y2kassist@hotmail.com

Good Luck! Lisa

They Are Simply Organised Crime.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 27/05/2007 - 20:51.

Department of Child Safety are CRIMINALS in every sense of the word, and need to answer for their crimes and human rights violations (in addition to their overall lies, false theories, and bizarre abuse of the family unit). The public needs to know the truth. The public has a right to know the truth. These people are already way out of control. I'm sure there are REAL cases of child abuse, but these criminals prefer to ignore REAL cases and harass and annoy non-abusers. Why this is the case, I can't even guess at. Good luck. Many people involved in the so-called SCAN program are so ignorant and non-observant, in is baffling. I don't even know how some of these people find their way out of bed in the morning (perhaps they have a large detailed map in a two volume set). Again, good luck.

QLD DoC

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/05/2007 - 07:37.

So at long last, Beattie's Baby Snatchers are being publicly exposed. Damned shame, ain't it?

In 2004, the DoC in Gladstone Queensland was waging its own little war of terror upon the citizens of Gladstone and the Callide Districts without any 'fear' whatsoever. And then, they walked through our front gate - lies on their tongues, idiocy in their back pockets and a policeman thoroughly over being the 'babysitter for the babysnatchers' who don't listen, can't think and only know one company line:

In the Departments View...

Screw the Departments view... the Department spent nine months, seven officers and two 'leaders' NOT managing to prove they were 'right' because they were WRONG!

This family PROVED the Department of Child Safety in Gladstone was and REMAINS prepared to shovel pills down kids necks, deny EVERY legal right possible, NEVER fulfil ANY legal obligations and then expect the PARENTS to be as dim witted and stupid as EVERY Officer at the time obviously was according to the Judge that oversaw the catastrope that two 'young, idealogicistal little women' had created and then TRIED TO COVER UP!

Beattie's Baby Snatchers did their best to keep our child until the COURT finally listened - finally OVER RODE THE DEPARTMENTS VIEW and made the Department comply with the Child Protection Act ...

In the Court hearing the officer was reduced to tears when the Judge explained what a 'semi colon really means' - so which ever half smart idiot thinks that 'good spelling' is indicative of the intelligence behind the message just hasn't met the Gladstone DoC 'Bloody Dumb Bimbo Brigade'...

Here's a few 'tips' that came from one family fighting back, refusing to submit to coercision and lies - including having our names associated with sex offenders in the very stupid attempt to intimidate what will NEVER be intimidated by women barely old enough to buy tampons, let alone dictate a 'departments view' on parents under duress...

a. it is a legal right of ALL parents to DEMAND IT IN WRITING ... the Department MUST comply. If they do not comply with your WRITTEN REQUEST FOR IT IN WRITNG - the Court can and will view that 'badly' ...

b. 1/2000 parents 'fight back' after they are told otherwise by legal representation - either they are 'sold out' by gutless privte lawyers who have reputations to protect and a social image to look out for or they are legal aid reps on a limited budget and looking for the easy way out. Just one in 2000 parents FIGHT BACK! When you are told to accept the LIE - REFUSE AND FIGHT back!

c. it only takes one of the parents to sign 'consent' and give the Department uncontested wins - don't consent - CONTEST LOUDLY - the Judge has the legal ability to listen to the parents and judge without compromising their stand just because they don't fully understand the law - he has the right to do so only if you do not SIGN CONSENT AND COMPLY ... YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE JUDGE... admittedly, some Judges are better at listening than others ... it must start somewhere and you don't get ANYWHERE until you FIGHT BACK AND FORCE these Dogs of Corruption to JUSTIFY THEIR ACCUSATIONS! If you are being persecuted - then FIGHT BACK!

d. sometimes, you aren't 'right' and ought to probably sort your act out - especially if it is involving violence ... Judges don't like that at all. However - NO FAMILY is perfect and NO GOVERNMENT can possibly avoid all 160 different ways you can 'potentially abuse a child in the Departments View'... SO - until we're overseeing ALL foster carers and EVERY parent to make sure NONE of those 160 'equal important forms of abuse' are being committed - the QLD DoC remains nothing but than another multi million dollar money sink failed policy by Peter Beattie - ten years and 100's of millions spent and it is WORSE than it ever was before...

e. The Commission for Youth and Children is YOUR FRIEND if you are being persecuted by these bloody minded Dogs ... THEY are the only thing in QLD that SCARES the Department of Child Safety MORE than Crimes and Misconduct who are ALSO YOUR FRIEND if you think that Laws have been broken - go to their site, read what they need from you - FIGHT BACK! Make these Dogs accountable for the misery their little Petticoat Gestapo are DOING TO THE PEOPLE....

f. Beattie is NOT your friend and neither is anyone associated with the QLD Department of Child Safety because they ALL KNOW that sooner or later there is one big arsed class action suit coming and NONE of them want their autographs on papers that could see them tried for serial abuse of children under State care...

FIGHT BACK... DO NOT COMPLY - CONTEST!

When the People fight back, Justice must be served.

QLD DoCS

Submitted by Not happy (not verified) on Wed, 30/05/2007 - 13:30.

"Quote"
f.! Beattie is NOT your friend and neither is anyone associated with the QLD Department of Child Safety because they ALL KNOW that sooner or later there is one big arsed class action suit coming and NONE of them want their autographs on papers that could see them tried for serial abuse of children under State care.)

I believe this is very true, all it will take is one smart lawyer that will open pandoras box and you will see a flood of law suits against them. About calling them dogs, I can't call them dogs as I have a nice dog, so the closest to them is a hyena or is there anything lower than that? Thank for your post above, it is very interesting.

DoCS

Submitted by Dustyman on Mon, 28/05/2007 - 15:58.

Way to go mate if enough of us stand tall we will beat these animals keep fighting
can you send me an e-mail at husky58@hotmail.com looking forward to gathering information to blow the lid off these animals cheers

Add-On

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/05/2007 - 07:49.

BTW:

It is not illegal or 'wrong' for parents to list the Department persecuting them ANd the officers conducting the persecution publicly. All that is 'illegal' is identifying the family or the child or the foster carers publicly while the case is 'in Court' [or in the process].

People need to start naming the rogue traders publicly - eventually the patterns will be seen and Crimes and Misconduct WILL prosecute those that PERSECUTE... and the Department knows it ...

FIGHT BACK - do not COMPLY - CONTEST!

DoCS

Submitted by Dustyman on Mon, 28/05/2007 - 16:01.

How about a child that was taken to a foster home where the carer is under investigation for child abuse and the matter is still not resolved plus the fact that she has up to 6 different kids from DoCS placed there YEAH sure DoCS is looking after the kids husky58 @ hotmail.com

i was in care

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/04/2007 - 22:36.

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Yeah well I feel the same way

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 17/04/2007 - 20:56.

Yeah well I feel the same way I dosnt matter how many times you tell them nothing happened, they never listean. They think they are cops, and dont piss any of the women workers off they will just make it harder for you. Most of them don't even have childern and wouldnt know how to parent childern them selves. I know where your comming from and don't worry you are not alone they are doing it to us too!

To all the cso's reading these posts

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 13/04/2007 - 21:36.

dont waste your time. No one on these forum is going to listen to what you have to say because they are all set in there minds of hate and revenge against you.

You could be a great person, you could be the person we strive to be, but because you have decided to work for child safety and because you decided that you wanted to help children and young people, these parents hate you, know matter who you are and what you have and havent done, these people hate you, they have put you in a box and they have judged you without knowing you, they complain about the dept doing it to them, but double standard rules are ok to them, as long as they are the ones benifiting.

These people are after one thing and that is revenge, these people are filled with hate and rage... there is not point in wasting your time or energy in posting anything. I want to thank all the cso's that read these posts tho, you helped to save me, because of you i have a chance, you have inspired me to go to uni and become a cso so that i can help children who are in the situtation i was once in, thankyou xxx

The above person

Submitted by victims of DoCS... on Sat, 21/07/2007 - 22:32.

You are judging all of us. isn't that hypocritical?

You sound as though you were/are a child in need of protection and that is fantastic that you have been saved by docs from whatever horrible situation you were in.

However, when my children-who weren't being abused (this has been proved) were abducted by docs they were actually abused in care. My seven week old baby along with another sibling were left unwashed and wearing the same clothes for quite a few days. I complained many times, eventually both children in this carer's care were removed and placed in another carer's care. Another one of my children was punched in the back with his carer's husband's fist for spilling milo on the floor. My young daughter was being bathed by an adult who was not only a stranger to her, but a male and of different ethnic background. I don't have my children bathed by a male at home due to previous sexual abuse by a preditor in a different state, how is this appropriate. And then to top it all off -the carer allows my children all under six to watch an MA 15+ movie. ?????????????????????

The truth hurts...

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/05/2007 - 07:45.

1% risk is not a good enough reason to steal babies at birth before any crime is proven... 1% risk is less than you take every day stepping out your door - do you also support the new 'armed and dangerous' rights given to police to prevent angry and persecuted parents ever deciding that 'revenge' is in the form of a sit in - peaceful or otherwise?

You should be aware of the fact that the Child Safety Act of Queensland is drawn from a. the United Nations Humans Rights Charter and b. The UN's Childrens Rights Charter - that is accepted by QLD Courts...

Try going and READING THE TRUTH and then try to justify that 1% risk and the 'Departments View' to the 50% plus of parents that must 'comply' so that the system can NOT protect the majority of children that REALLY need protecting ...

you have done what you accuse them off

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 01/05/2007 - 22:33.

Just because you think these people want revenge dont judge them they may have saved you but not everyone who works for the department is doing it for the children. There are some very good people in the department but not all of them, these people on this site would listen to CSO's that listen to them and can give them productive help, just cause you had a vad experience and they saved you doesnt mean you should speak about others this way. My daughter is a missing person at 16 because she ran away to a friends because she was not allowed to watch her TV show because she waged school and they gave her her freedom and money. I worked with them to make sure she was kept safe. Then I had to move to another state for work and a better life for my other children and the department assured me they would keep an eye on her for at least the next year. But not even 2 months later they closed her case and now no one in the family at all knows where she is. My baby is missing and for all we know could be dead and because thje worker had her own selfish agenda. I know some lovely people that work for the department and they would never have allowed this to happen if they were allowed to be involved but they werent allowed. I already lost my 4 year old son a year and a half before this to a heart defect and now my 16 year old is no where to be found. So please dont jump to conclusions about people on this site when you dont know the whole story.

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